28 thoughts on “We heading for another shutdown…”

  1. The US has 4% of the world’s population and 25% of the Covid cases. We have done an abysmal job of handling this pandemic and it is all because it was made a political issue by our ignorant leadership. I don’t think we will have another shutdown across the board because the feds don’t have the stomach for it. There will be a few states that slow down but the American people just don’t have the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing … wear masks. Masks cut the infection rate by as much as 75%. Sad when said “shit hole” countries are doing a better job than the US.

    • not any mask works…and good luck finding actual n95 mask…wearing 3 layers of f*&^king t-shirt doesn’t stop shit…we all need to just get the crap, leave the old people at home…80% of the pop is immune or will have slight symptoms…

      • SORRY JOE, you’re wrong. Any mask DOES work to prevent the spread of infection. It will not totally protect YOU from infection but if you’re not working directly with COVID patients, that doesn’t matter. You’re wrong, three layers of material WILL prevent the spread of germs from people who are infected but don’t yet know it. To use the famous “pee” metaphor — you and another man are naked. 1 He pees in your direction. You get wet. 2 You are wearing pants, he is still naked. He pees in your direction. You still get wet but the fabric absorbs some of the pee so your skin gets less wet. or 3 You are BOTH wearing pants. He pees in your direction. No pee reaches you; it all stays with him. See? That’s how it works. A mask prevents the droplets that fly from our mouths when we talk, yell, sing, cough, or sneeze from going anywhere. They stay inside the mask. It’s easy. I wear a mask to protect YOU, you wear a mask to protect ME. [And, BTW, leaving the old people at home doesn’t help anything if their family comes in after having been exposed to COVID all day and has been infected.]

  2. In WW2, America rationed steel and meat. Women left home to work some hard jobs in factories. People sacrificed for the good of their country.

    Today, people complain about masks. If you want our country to stay open, wear a mask! If you want your country to be great, wear a mask! It’s really not that hard.

  3. I agree about the masks. Closing state borders might help too – the Atlantic provinces of Canada closed down early on, not only to the rest of Canada but between themselves, and instituted very strict quarantine rules, and as of June 30 are almost COVID-free. They’re now starting to “bubble” with each other but not to outsiders. I live near the US/Canada border at Niagara, and we’re hoping it stays closed for a good while longer.

  4. It’s unfortunate that people think it infringes upon their constitutional rights to wear a mask. Aside from the fact there’s nothing in the constitution to support that argument, someone not wearing a mask can, in theory, be shot in some states, as them not wearing a mask is a threat to my life.

  5. Jonco is absolutely right.
    People around the country have been telling me it’s bullshit because it wasn’t their friends and neighbors dying.
    Well now it’s moving rapidly, so step right up ladies and gents, the virus coming to a home near you.

  6. This is patently absurd. There are two types of people, those who haven’t tested positive for the China flu and those who will. 99.99% of them won’t have symtoms and 99.9999% of them won’t die. Lockdown and face diapers are just tools to feed the apocalypse theater. Don’t be afraid.. your government may try to scare you into compliance, but you control your fear, not them. Use the China flu scare as motivation to make yourself stronger, better, braver. Really read the studies and critical analysis of what they are feeding you. We are all better than this.

    • Mike, there is no China flu. There is COVID-19, which is not the flu. No, there’s not a giant conspiracy to make you wear a mask for no reason. There IS, in fact, a pandemic that kills people. There are no face diapers, there ARE masks that prevent people from spreading a potentially deadly infection that they may not yet know they have. Masks prevent you from killing people — elderly people, immunocompromised people who are fighting cancer or other diseases, and those unlucky people who, despite having no underlying conditions, are stuck down by this virus and die a horrifying, terrible death — like my son’s 32 year old friend did, who left a wife, a three year old with Cerebal Palsy and a 10 month old. Stop being selfish and ignorant and do this tiny little thing to help keep other people from dying.

  7. I hope wmenns wasn’t referring to New Zealand with the shit hole countries comment.
    We have sensible and intelligent leadership and rid ourselves of Covid-19 …. impressive, but it was only for a short while.
    We’re only 5 million people so you’d think we’d all be kinda close and good friends, but no, we’re like a spread out city, a city of 5 million, even still, we all pulled together and did what we needed to do.
    And then some slack efforts by lesser civic employees allowed a couple of international women visitors, 2 sisters, here to see their dying parent, to travel the country untested and unmasked, ffs.
    After a couple of months we had no lockdown anymore, hardly any restrictions at all, but now, because of those stupid British women, we have some people infected, I think it’s only 3 or 4, but still, that shit spreads.
    So I am back wearing a mask.
    I went to the supermarket last night, the cats need cat food, and I’m the only person there wearing the robber/cowboy face mask.
    Remember, if one of the people looking after one of those 3 or 4 sick people has a friend from school that they hugged recently and that friend’s husband works at the place that makes the labels that go on the cat food cans, and then I go and touch that can of death ….. yeah, nah, bugger that, mask on and incinerate the germs that might be on my hands with the most potent sanitiser money can buy.
    I had a ventilator rammed down my throat when I had heart surgery last year …it…was…bloody…horrible.
    Trust me, keep on wearing the masks.

    • No, I was referring to a comment made by our ignorant president in the past. I would not call any country that especially since I am an American who is watching our country being turned into a third world country by the “my way or the highway” politics. New Zealand has done a wonderful job of handling this pandemic … as well as sensible gun control.

    • Randy Rainbow’s the best. Actually, at this point I think the health authorities should change their tactics, and say Do Not Under Any Circumstance Wear A Mask Of Any Kind. Everyone would start claiming their constitutional right to wear any damn mask they wanted, anywhere they wanted, in any colour they wanted… it might work.

      • It’s kind of sad we have to try treating Americans like fractious toddlers but, hell, it might work.

  8. What is more important is to look at the fatality rate, not just the infection rate.

    If the infection rate is going up but the fatality rate is 10% of what it was in April, then we seem to be beating the virus (I am speaking of here in the USA).

    Looking here: https://ncov2019.live/data I see that the infection number for the USA is 2,777,652 with an increase of 1.83%; the fatality rate is 130,784 with an increase of 0.51% – so the infection rate is going up faster than the fatality rate. The mortality rate (death/infection) is about 4.8%. Note: this website gets updated frequently so the numbers you see might be different than what I just saw).

    These statistics mean to me that we can still keep opening up. Yes, keeping our distances and wearing masks makes sense for now–but lets let those who are not part of the “danger! danger!” group (like those over 70 and/or have medical conditions that can hurt trying to fight an infection) get back to almost normal.

    • Experts disagree with you. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that people with advanced degrees who have studied this their whole lives have a better grasp on it than you. And more young people are getting COVID so fewer are dying — but that doesn’t mean they’re not going to suffer effects of it for years to come. Not to mention being bankrupted by the medical bills.

      • Lynda has been so busy insulting the intelligence of people who have a different opinion than her, that she has forgotten what the past six months has revealed about the “people with advanced degrees who have studied this their whole lives”. Let’s review the expert opinions:
        Earlier: Covid-19 is easily spread from contact with contaminated surfaces.
        Later: Covid-19 isn’t such a threat from contact with contaminated surfaces.
        Earlier: There is “no clear evidence” of human-to-human transmission of COVID-19.
        Later: human-to-human transmission is the primary method!
        Earlier: Stop hoarding masks. You do not need to wear a mask if you are not sick. A study in the Annals of Internal Medicine declared that masks are ineffective at stopping virus-laden droplets.
        Later: Masks are effective, they are essential. Everyone must wear a mask.
        Earlier: National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Diseases director Anthony Fauci speaking regarding Covid-19, “this is not a major threat to the people of the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”
        Later: CDC Director Robert Redfield, “This is the greatest public health crisis that has hit this nation in more than 100 years.”
        The “experts” who have misled repeatedly. Instead, look at meaningful data on your, such as the Covid-19 daily death rates and Covid-19 hospitalization rates. The Covid-19 infection rate is deceptive indicator, it will vary with the number of tests performed. There are many who had the infection early, were asymptomatic, but now are getting tested for precautionary reasons who are surprised to join the ranks of “infected”, but aren’t sick, and their infection (which occurred earlier) has nothing to do with the relaxation of restrictions now.

        • “Welcome to the American Freedom Cafe! We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.
          We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
          We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs.
          Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook’s right to do so.
          Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can’t touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean.
          Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they’d prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.
          Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you’ll agree that it’s a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do – and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy.”

        • Are you upset that scientists don’t instantly have all the answers? It’s a new disease. Studying it takes time.
          If you think that the “people with advanced degrees who have studied this their whole lives” have misleading information, you won’t believe all the stupid crap other people are actually saying.
          Remember when they told you it was a hoax ? Remember when they told you it was just going to go away? Some idiots are still saying it.
          In other parts of the world, they have dealt with terrible diseases before, and they automatically wear masks and act appropriately. Here in America, we have all these idiots who wont even bother…. they reference things they don’t even understand as an excuse. ( Hey genius. The test for a person who currently has COVID, is not the same as an antibody test to see if you previously had it. ) ” See, science isn’t perfect, so that means I can just believe what I want and find the news sources that tell me what I want to hear.”
          America is so full of FreeDumb. If you want the country to stay open and get back to normal, wear a mask.

  9. Excellent opinion, Jonco.

    One reply to your opinion makes me think back to one of my favorite George Carlin quotes:

    “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

  10. The person saying the mortality rate isn’t increasing as fast as the infection rate is just plain… stupid. People are sick with this for MONTHS. They come out the other end 50 lbs lighter, or barely alive, but, you survived!
    When the towers fell there were just over 3000 deaths and this country was PARALYZED. There names were read every year to remember. Now there was mass graves and reefer trucks outside hospitals to hold the dead and ppl think it’s nothing?
    I believe this is willful ignorance because they are scared.
    World-O-Meter has US’s deaths at 130,813 this morning. Who is going to read their names?

    • The median time from onset of symptoms to death has been reported as 19 days, not months.
      According to the CDC, for the 15 day period between March 21, 2020 and April 5, 2020, the number of new COVID-19 cases reported each day steadily increased from 5,836 to 30,683 (an increase of 20,229). Between June 15, 2020 and June 30, 2020, the cases increased a bit less steadily, from 18,577 to 43,644 (an increase of 25,067).
      During the first period, the laboratory-confirmed COVID-19-associated hospitalizations increased from 3 to about 9.5 per 100,000 population. (And the hospitalization rate continued to increase after until mid-April). During the second period, the hospitalizations increased from 4 to about 4.25 per 100,000 population. (It peaked at under 5, and has dropped under 4 as of July 11).
      In spite of the fact that a larger number of confirmed COVID-19 cases (16% more) were reported in the later period, the change in the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations at the end of the corresponding two week periods are completely different. The weekly hospitalization number barely moved by the end of the second period (a 6% increase), while the weekly hospitalizations increased by 217% by the end of the first period.
      Looking at deaths two weeks after the end of those periods (to allow for symptoms, testing, and mean time to death), shows even an even more stark difference. The CDC weekly total for all deaths involving COVID-19 changed from 16,943 to 2,097, a drop of 88% or 1/8 as many deaths.
      Many more cases, yet a much lower rate of hospitalization and substantial decrease in deaths. Just like I suggested earlier.
      Call me stupid, like you would when you were 10 years old, but I’m just reporting the data. Why do the facts upset people so much?

  11. It comes down to infringing on the rights of others.

    For example, you can smoke all the cigarettes you want, but you can’t smoke them in my house or my business because you affect everyone at that location with your actions.

    Likewise you are free to go maskless on your property all you want, but you cannot bring that to my house or my business either.

    I’m not certain why this is in such hot debate.

  12. To refuse to wear a mask is simply anti-American. This country was built on the idea of everybody is there for each other. Ya know, “We the people…” You wear a mask to protect others. To refuse to do so is just being a selfish prick who hates his fellow Americans and is willing to infect as many people as possible. It’s just that simple. You complain about individual rights? Well, you’re infringing on individual rights when you act like an asshole and present yourself as a threat to someone else’s health by not wearing a mask.

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