13 thoughts on “Future evangelist”

  1. Obviously, the kids is spouting baby talk (the subtitles are cute), and not theology..yet.

    But I’ll admit I am troubled by the assumption that it is not only OK, but REQUIRED, to indoctrinate children into religion. What a frightening message to give a child, who has no way of rejecting it.

    Ths is a great video that sums it up nicely:
    http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/07/19/a-lovely-lullaby/

  2. I find this profoundly disturbing. This child has clearly been exposed to FAR more than just a weekly Sunday service, and heavily indoctrinated in this religion. He is way too young to even comprehend what he is mimicking, or to consent to indoctrination or reject it.

    I am not a religious person, but I respect the Amish for having their teenagers make the decision (at 16 or 18 years of age) to remain within the faith or to leave. A child has no capacity to choose.

  3. I am not a religious person, but I respect the Amish for having their teenagers make the decision (at 16 or 18 years of age) to remain within the faith or to leave.

    One of the problems with the Amish (besides that they often run puppy mills), is that yes, they allow the teens to choose, but if they choose to leave the faith, they are no longer welcome in the family. They are basically banished forever. They aren’t just renouncing their faith, they are leaving everything they have ever known. I would love to know statistics on how many leave, and how many don’t. That’s sure a crappy “choice.”

    This is America. If someone wants to renounce his or her faith, they should be able to do so without losing everything they know. And at 16, how, seriously, could they make the choice to leave? It’s rigged.

  4. Yet ironically the athiests are the ones who continuously preach at us in the comments forcing their beliefs on us.

  5. Yet ironically the athiests are the ones who continuously preach at us in the comments forcing their beliefs on us.

    Oh, poor baby. Do you live in the United States? If so, you have the world on a silver platter, churches on every corner, the freedom to pray and worship just about anywhere, people who believe as you do in politics, helping to advance your untenable beliefs, and thousnds more “perks” as a believer than atheists, yet you still have the gall to complain when your unprovable beliefs are questioned?

    Are you persecuted?

    What beliefs was I forcing on you, or anyone? The absence of belief is not, for the millionth time, a belief.

    I am very tolerant, most of the time. I let most stuff Xtians say roll right off me and I smile and say, “Have a nice day.” But the indoctrination of children is reprehensible. Go ahead and have your god smite me.

    • You may be tolerant about some things but you never seem to pass up an opportunity to bash Christians on B&P. How many times has anyone here instigated an attack on you for your beliefs or lack thereof???

      Believe me I get it, a thousand times over I get it, you are a non believer/Atheist as best I understand, and as far as I’m concerned you are free to believe or not believe any thing you want. Live and let live you know.

      As for indoctrination. I have known atheists personally and have observed in those with children the same tendency to indoctrinate THEIR children AGAINST religion. Curious, do you find that type of indoctrination reprehensible as well?

      Go ahead, have your non god/non entity, whatever, smite me AND my God.

      • As for indoctrination. I have known atheists personally and have observed in those with children the same tendency to indoctrinate THEIR children AGAINST religion.

        Amen.

    • I don’t know how most of your reply has much to do with what I wrote.

      You do believe in something. Everything you write about here and feel so strongly about is your belief. And you take every opportunity to tell us about it when no one asks for it. Just ironic in my opinion.

  6. Take out the word “religion” in the above two comments and change it to __________. Is indoctrination ok then? Is it still indoctrination or is it now just cute…at what age does “indoctrination” start? Or stop? Did/does this trouble you too?…

    Ah, yes. Please jump to conclusions about who I voted for, based on my views regarding religion. How very predictable.

    Not that I condone the videos you posted, but how are the two comparable, exactly? Telling children that they will burn in a fiery pit forever unless they love Jesus is the same as believing that Obama could be a good President?

    Seriously?

    • ¿¿HUH?? HOW did you ever come up with that one?? I “jumped to conclusions” about who you voted for?? No matter how many times I reread my comment, I can’t find the part where I did that. But the fact that you managed to start out with that deflection?…”How very predictable.” In the spirit of modern politicians and celebrities, I apologize…I’m very very sorry that you failed to understand my comment.

      And my point, which you seemed to miss in your misreading or misunderstanding or distortion of my comment, was that indoctrination is indoctrination. The kids in those first two vids looked to be 5-6 up to about 10 y.o. Did they have a chance to reject the teachings of the instructor, who by the way is paid by the taxpaying citizens (of all political persuasions) in a government funded public school? What would you have thought, for example, of a video of kids singing the praises of George Bush during his first campaign? Or John Edwards? Or Bill Clinton? Lyndon Johnson? Nixon? Carter? Reagan? Would you feel the same way about the ethics of publicly funded schools preaching the gospel of any of those particular candidates? Would you have felt it’s ok in just some of those cases?

      When I was in school, probably way before you were, when a presidential election rolled around, the classroom or hallways would be decorated with the photos of both candidates, paper cutouts of both donkeys and elephants, schedules of local appearances by both candidates; and for the presidential election when I was in high school, we were taught the platforms of BOTH parties. We had a mock election. And I mean “mock” as in “pretend”, not the current usage of merely denigrating one party or candidate. We had tables in the auditorium with materials and campaign buttons of both sides. (I can prove it to you…up in my attic I have boxes that my Mom saved, filled with mimeographed school materials (told you it was way before you, LOL) from the two presidential elections during my junior high and high school days.)

      What’s the difference between teachers in a government supported school in New Jersey indoctrinating kindergartners to sing songs of praise to Obama, or teachers in a government supported school in Pyongyang indoctrinating kindergartners to sing songs of praise to Kim Jong Il? I see no difference. Those little kids in both NJ or DPRK don’t have the ability to process and reject/accept those teachings any more than the little kids in a religious home do. You said in a comment above that at 16, a kid can’t make these kind of choices…Well, the boys in that last video, goosestepping for Obama in fatigues and gold combat boots, look to be right around that age +/-. As you yourself said in an earlier comment above, “the indoctrination of children is reprehensible.” I completely agree with you on that. Yaaay! Can’t we all just get along? Sure we can, see?

      I don’t know how it is anywhere else in the US, but around here, municipal cops and firefighters and other city employees are not allowed to display campaign signs for any candidate at any level on their own property, and can’t have a candidate’s bumper sticker on their personal vehicles. Conflict of interests…a public employee paid with taxpayer money can’t publicly show political bias. They are beholden to the citizens…the taxpayers…the Democrats AND Republicans AND the ones who don’t give a sh1t…they protect and serve all, no matter who they want as mayor or dogcatcher or judge or president. Do you see any reason it shouldn’t be that way with public school teachers? Teach the math and the Dick and Janes and where the Pacific is, and leave the bias of personal politics out of it. After all, I think that every national election in the last two decades has been decided by less than 10% margins. That means that theoretically, around +/- half of the parents of the kids in that school will disagree with the teacher’s politics.

      Btw, although I describe myself as a drifter somewhere in the agnostic/atheist crowd (I’ve never given it enough deep thought to pin it down further, as I really don’t care), I was brought up in a church-going family, and attended until I was about 15 or so (grudgingly…mostly to see friends from other schools I couldn’t see during the week). I really don’t care whether there’s a cross or a menorah or a spaghetti monster on my town’s square in December. I can drive or walk past any of them without immediatly calling a lawyer about a lawsuit. . I’ve got bigger problems that get my panties in a bunch right here within the walls of my house. But I was never taught that I “would burn in a fiery pit forever unless I love Jesus”. Pretty sure there was a little more to it than that. I think you’re missimplifying a lot of mainstream religions. Liberals often mention their disdain of W and his religion, but doesn’t Nancy Pelosi consider herself a practicing Catholic? Isn’t Hary Reid a devout Mormon? Hasn’t Al Gore described himself as a born-again Christian? And everybody is aware of Jimmy Carter’s religion…Were you bothered by his beliefs when he was prez? Or Gore’s Christianity when he ran? Do Reid’s beliefs bother you as much as Romney’s did? Aren’t there actually still a few people who actually believe Barack Obama is a Christian??

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